Winning the award for most repulsive response so far, a Baptist pastor from Round 2 has responded to my email. Although what I asked about was asexuality, a sexual orientation, what I got back was a mess of anti-gayness and cissexism, particularly focused on non-binary people and little trans girls. Oh, and some rape culture and allonormativity thrown in to boot, to answer my original question. Consider this a big content warning for all of that.
He starts off by randomly invalidating non-binary people, much like the Lutheran guy who seemed to think that asexuality was the same thing as a non-binary gender identity.
My initial response to your question is to cite Scripture which says, “God created man in His own image … male and female He created them” (Genesis1:27). So every human fails into one of these gender categories.
That’s not just wrong, that’s not even what I was asking you about.
Nice typo, btw. Quite telling.
Okay, sorry, that was petty, but so is this.
We believe that much of today’s gender confusion — homosexuality or transgender — is sin and abnormal according to God’s design.
Incidentally, people who are interested in the intersection of trans identities and Christianity might be interested in this interpretation of Matthew 19:11-12 (cw: link does refer to dmab people as male).
Our culture’s departure from the clear teaching of Scripture, that we are “male and female,” has caused great harm to many people who are trapped in this confusion.
I get the sense that this guy thinks all trans people are non-binary/that transgender is itself a gender or something, since he doesn’t seem to recognize that there are plenty of binary-identified trans people.
Anyway, I’m not clear on what the “great harm” is supposed to be. Sure, trans people come to great harm, but that’s because cis people violently attack trans people on the regular. He doesn’t seem to have anything to say about that.
One sad case is that some state public schools are now allowing elementary children to decide which bathroom they want to use;
Uh, how is that sad?
little boys can identify themselves as little girls and use the girls’ bathroom. We believe this is very harmful to children.
Manhood and womanhood is determined at birth.
This wouldn’t make sense even if it weren’t cissexist. Men and women are adults, which is generally a category that excludes newborns.
Sorry, I’m just unable to take seriously the idea that a baby can have manhood.
We would also reject the notion that homosexuality, etc., is something a person is born with. We believe it is a choice.
Sexual orientation is a choice? So I’m just choosing not to find people hot? How does that work?
As far as sexual attraction goes, we respect the reality that some people have homosexual attraction or asexual/non-attraction as you mention.
How does that not directly contradict what you just said?
Okay, look. It’s one thing when Christians will make a distinction between temptation and choice (orientation and behavior) and find fault with one and not the other. It’s another thing when you say “we would also reject the notion that homosexuality, etc., is something a person is born with” (implying you don’t believe in orientations at all) but then turn around and say “we respect the reality that some people have homosexual attraction on asexual/non-attraction.”
So either I interpret “we respect the reality that” to mean “we believe it’s a deliberate and immoral decision when,” or else you’re contradicting yourself. The only other possibility I see here is that the pastor thinks your orientation isn’t something you’re born with but also something you don’t choose, i.e. that it develops based on social influences but is still outside your own control. Not sure what the point of that belief would be if you’re this blatantly anti-gay.
Our desire to be compassion with anyone who is confused or struggles sexually. We would offer counseling and biblical teaching to help anyone to embrace their God-given gender and fully experience sex according to God’s design.
[name & info redacted]
So, to recap: he believes birth assignment should determine both gender identity and who you’re attracted to; he sees being trans and being gay as a sin; and he supports offering “counseling and biblical teaching” as a way to get “confused” people to “fully experience sex according to God’s design,” which is to say he supports some combination of therapy-based and theism-based bullying in order to pressure people into having sex — probably with the (other-binary-gender-assigned) people they’re married to, and probably in tandem with pressure from their spouses.
He outright endorses marital rape, people.
No matter what, he thinks it’s “God’s design” to “fully experience sex.”
Somebody hold me, I’m going to be sick.